Walker: Yes, I attended meetings concerning that subject
matter; why do you want to know about that?
Steinman: I believe it is very important subject. After
all, we are talking about the actual recovery of a flying saucer (spacecraft)
not built or constructed on this earth! And furthermore, we are talking about
bodies of the occupants from the craft who were analysed human-like beings not
of this world!
Walker: So … what’s there to get excited about? Why all
Steinman: … Did you ever hear of the "MJ-12 Group" and the
"Project Majestic-12" which was classified as TOP SECRET/MAJIC? I have a copy of
President elect D. D. Eisenhower’s briefing paper on that project, dated
November 18, 1952.
Walker: Yes, I know of MJ-12. I have known of them for
40 years … you are delving into an area that you can do absolutely nothing
about. So, why get involved with it or all concerned about it? Why can’t you
just leave it alone and drop it? Forget about it!! (11)
As noted above, MJ-12 was established to deal with the
aftermath of the crash at Roswell and the ensuing cover-up that took place
That events there were real has been confirmed by numerous
legitimate sources. In 1996 Walter Haut (right), the former Press Officer at the Airforce base, was interviewed and asked if the debris could actually have been
a balloon as claimed.
"There’s no chance at all. I’d seen them go up over the base – you’d look at
them and say ‘It’s a weather balloon.’ Anyone with any experience in the Air
Force would be able to tell the difference between a weather balloon and a
flying disk. A balloon is a balloon is a balloon!"
Haut was then asked if the object could have been from a
top-secret project. "I doubt it. Colonel Blanchard would have known about any
secret experiments, or at least been told not to panic if anything fell from the
sky. Why would he have authorised me to announce the story to the press? It just
doesn’t make sense." Finally, Haut was
asked what he did when he heard about the cover story. "There was nothing I
could do. A balloon may have crashed, but it certainly had nothing to do with
the downed saucer. What most people
don’t realise is that back then, you didn’t ask questions – you did whatever
your superior told you. Today there’d be a lot of questions, or even a
Congressional hearing, but it was a different era then." (12)
Major Marcel’s son, now Dr Jesse Marcel M.D., was one of the
few people to handle the Roswell debris. He was also interviewed at
the same time and recalled "my father was so excited about the debris that he
drove by our house to show my mother and myself the material before delivering
it to the airbase. There were several boxes of it in our car but we emptied the
contents of just one of these boxes on our kitchen floor.
"He wanted to see if he could piece some of the fragments
together … There was a lot of metal foil. It looked like aluminium but had a
less reflective surface. I didn’t try to bend it, nor did I witness the ‘metal
with a memory’ that some have described. I do recall my dad saying a colleague
had tried to bend one of the larger pieces with a sledgehammer without even
denting it." Marcel continued,
"the most striking parts of the material were the beams. The one I remember was
about 12 to 18 inches long and was made from a very lightweight material. When I
held it up to the light I could see what appeared to be symbols printed or
embossed along the length of the beam.
They looked at
first like hieroglyphics (see right), but on closer scrutiny appeared to be
geometric designs." Marcel was asked if anyone had pressurised him to keep quiet
about the debris. "Only my dad. When he came back from the base, he told my
mother and me not to talk about it to anybody, including my friends and any
these events were true also appears to be confirmed by an incident that occurred
in 1991. In July of that year Marcel was invited to a meeting with Dick D’Amato,
national security specialist for Senator Robert Byrd and liaison member of the
National Security Council. The meeting took place in the US Capitol Building,
Senate Room S-128.
"He locked the door in back of us and I thought, gee, I’m in real trouble now …
We walked into this room, and on the table was a book about Roswell. As we sat
down, he pointed to the book and he says, ‘this is not fiction.’" (14)
D’Amato acknowledged that there was a crash near Roswell and that aliens
were onboard. This was the first time Marcel had heard anyone in government
actually admit to the UFO crash. Marcel
asked D’Amato where the wreckage was now to which D’Amato answered, "We [the
National Security Council] don’t know." D’Amato told Marcel that a powerful
‘black arm’ of government was keeping information a secret and that enormous
sums of money were being spent illegally.